Let's assume all this and then ask ourselves one question: What fucking use are psychics really?
Consider this: psychic powers just might be one of the greatest and most important developments in the evolution of the human race, and the ability to talk to people who have died is something that should be of incalculable benefit to the human race. But what we have instead are little more than circus entertainers appearing on Montel and Larry King to talk to housewives who watch drek like "The View" about dead relatives and predictions that no-one ever follows up on. Really, all the dead have is meaningless platitudes and the predictably and sickly sentimental?
Where are the psychic conference calls that link Curie, Darwin, Pasteur, Fleming, Gould, Sagan, Archimedes, Galileo, Copernicus, Boyle, Newton, Einstein, Edison, Bell, Ampère, Faraday, Maxwell, Poincaré, Planck, Schrödinger, Abū Alī Sīnā, Hubble and Rutherford (to name but a few of thousands) with modern scientists and modern discoveries and technology? What might some of the giants of science past be able to achieve now with technology and advances they never even dreamed of?
Think about why psychics never speak to these long dead scientists for just a little while and it should be obvious why they don't.
Why aren't long dead classical composers finishing symphonies or writing new ones through their psychic proxies?
Why aren't there philosophical discussions between Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Voltaire, Hume, Russell and Wittgenstein, hosted through their psychic proxies?
Why aren't the great inventors, innovators and engineers of our past suggesting solutions to our energy and climate problems through our erstwhile 'talkers to the dead'?
Why aren't historians talking to the players of history and finding out what really happened and why, perhaps solving many of the disputes that plague us to this day?
Why aren't murder victims naming their killer or providing in depth descriptions of them and what happened?
Why aren't Churchill, Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Martin Luther King Jr, Lincoln, Washington, FDR, Lloyd George, Marcus Aurelius, Alexander the Great, Wellington, Nelson advising our current leaders?
Why aren't psychics talking to people who we really need?
With all the challanges which we face today, with all the problems humanity has to deal with, why aren't psychics actually speaking to people who could help us advance human civilisation, thought and science further and faster than it has ever gone before? Why is it that the best they can bring from their incredible ability is to talk to dead relatives of everyday people who have nothing useful to offer?
Why is it that when the dead just happen to get in touch with one of the tiny minority of people who can speak to them, at the exact time that the person they want to speak to is there, they have nothing useful to say? "I love you and I'm happy here." is all my dead relative wants to tell me? Nothing a bit more, well, important?
I'll be impressed when a psychic can tell someone something specific that only the dead person can know. I'll be impressed when a psychic can tell me my grandad's service number, or what happened the last time I saw him when only the two of us were there. I'm not impressed with "An older male relative, whose name begins with an E, or R, or maybe T who died from lack of oxygen to the brain."
Why aren't psychics talking to people who can help us right now?
In the end should we be more concerned with whether or not psychics are real or whether or not they can actually contribute anything worthwhile and meaningful? Doesn't the fact that psychics aren't doing the things highlighted suggest something else? Do they have this gift only to use it for personal gain rather than benefitting all of us? Why is it that they charge so much for their 'skills'? What does that say about psychics if their claimed abilities really exist?
Why aren't psychics using their skills to benefit all of humanity? If they can but won't, then they are unimaginably selfish. If they can't because their abilities are limited or don't exist, they're irrelevant at best and fradulent hucksters at worst.
If their abilities are real, then why aren't psychics doing more for the human race? The answer seems to me to be one of a few possibilities:
- Psychics are lying and can't do any of the supernatural things they claim.
- Psychics are selfish bastards who use their abilities for personal gain rather than to help all of humanity.
- Psychic skills are real but basically useless.
If they are real shouldn't they be burnt at the stake? Isn't that what used to happen to people who made such claims?
ReplyDeleteNo doubt that would be the appropriately accurate religious response - I think we should just point and laugh!
ReplyDeleteuh, but the science does not know everything :D
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ReplyDeleteFor the love of dog please tell me that is sarcasm.
On the likely chance that it isn't then you just don't get it, do you?
If science does not know everything is to be used as an excuse to accept the validity of absurdities then where do we stop, exactly, and why? Flying horses? Half women half fish people? The ability to see through walls with x-ray eyes?
Regardless of the doggerel of 'science doesn't know everything', science does indeed not know everything but properly controlled and well designed scientific studies do show that psychics are either shit at what they claim to do or don't actually have the powers they claim.
That's what science does know, and that was my point.
As someone with psychic proclivities I have to say I agree with most of your comments.
ReplyDeleteA few things:
1. Psychic often refers to any of the following: telekinesis, telepathy, medium-ship, remote viewing, astral travel, etc.
2. The reason these things are perceived as pseudo-sciences is because of exactly what you said: It's quite a remarkable, profound thing (evolutionarily) but even more than that it is POWER and the people in this world holding the reigns do not want the average person to know/think it's possible.
3. A cursory examination into some of the more elite people in this world will reveal an overwhelming trend: They are all into the occult. They all have astrologists, they all plan events based on numerology. This is all public knowledge.
Of course your answer to this will be Randi, or some science mantra, which is fine. As I said, being as I am and living in this world I have heard both many times. Randi is a fraud. I will just say that now; but I do trust in and have a great respect for the scientific method. The discrepancy between the method and the white coat religious enterprise we call 'peer reviewed' is perhaps a post for another time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcel_Vogel
ReplyDeleteYou may find this man interesting. He explains why traditional tests for psychic ability are categorically impossible, as these things are inextricably linked to emotion. Psychic phenomena are in many cases a sort of exception to the Wittgenstein beetle-box in that meaning of the phenomena is inaccessible linguistically but can still have predictive power
Matt:
ReplyDeleteAs someone with psychic proclivities I have to say I agree with most of your comments.
So you agree that psychics are fake then? Or is it that they are useless that you agree with? Or is it the part where I point out maybe they are just monumentally selfish that you agree with? Or is it the part where I point out that there is a very obvious reason why psychics don't ever talk to really important people that they could be pinned down with in terms of the information provided? Or is it the part where I point out that they never have anything truly earth shattering to tell us that you agree with? Or maybe the bit where I point out cold, warm and hot reading?
I'm guessing that you agree with most of those comments, you did after all say that you did. Which is interesting given that you claim to be psychic. Either that, or you and I are both using very different definitions of the words "agree" and "most" and you're attempting some concern trollery.
1. Psychic often refers to any of the following: telekinesis, telepathy, medium-ship, remote viewing, astral travel, etc.
Yes I know, what was your point? I'm going to guess this is merely laying the groundwork for the good old fashioned 'No True Scotsmen' at some point later on.
My point was that psychics never seem able or willing to do anything good for human kind if their claimed abilities are indeed real - which makes the two alternatives seem much more likely. Psychics aren't real or they are selfish bastards. It doesn't matter if the psychic in question is a telekinetic or a medium, the point still stands.
I do note that you don't address this point at all, but do claim to agree with it (you agree with most of my comments and most of my comments were making this point, don't forget). Which seems at odds with the claim that you are psychic, does it not?. It would seem to be that your claim of psychic proclivities is in fact an admission that you are one of those unimaginably selfish psychics.
I admire your honesty.
2. The reason these things are perceived as pseudo-sciences is because of exactly what you said: It's quite a remarkable, profound thing (evolutionarily) but even more than that it is POWER and the people in this world holding the reigns do not want the average person to know/think it's possible.
Or they are, in fact, pseudoscience. I'm quite at a loss how the people in power have managed to keep a lid on this, what with there being people who are psychic and all. Do please explain how this is being done and provide your evidence for it.
For instance, how does a government track down and capture someone who can travel the astral-plane, exactly? How does one imprison someone who can manipulate matter with their mind? How does someone prevent a telepath from sending messages to everyone who can hear?
Or maybe you are saying that these abilities give governments power so they keep them for themselves - back to selfish or just plain evil psychics.
Please do elaborate on your conspiracy theory.
Continuing:
ReplyDelete3. A cursory examination into some of the more elite people in this world will reveal an overwhelming trend: They are all into the occult. They all have astrologists, they all plan events based on numerology. This is all public knowledge.
So these elite people could be stupid too - your point?
But go on, which elite people are we talking about? What is your evidence that they are all into the occult? What does being into the occult even mean? Most importantly though - people believing something doesn't make it real, that is the logical fallacy called the appeal to popularity at its most basic. I suppose you could also argue you are committing a twisted version of the appeal to authority as well.
Of course, since your blog says you are interested in philosophy I'm sure you knew all about those fallacies. Right? Why you must have been using them just to catch me out. Why you sneaky dog you...
Of course your answer to this will be Randi, or some science mantra, which is fine.
I'm guessing one of your psychic powers isn't seeing the future at least. I suppose I did ask for that one thing that always trips up people like you though - EVIDENCE. Yes, damn me for sticking to those non-existent science mantras.
Randi is a fraud.
And your EVIDENCE for this is....?
Damn, there I go with those science mantras.
but I do trust in and have a great respect for the scientific method. [my link added]
And yet no apparent sense of self or irony. But go on - how can you respect the scientific method whilst jumping all over it in shit covered shoes? Why would you dismiss calls for evidence as "science mantras" if you trust the scientific method? If you trust the scientific method then present your evidence, submit yourself to tests designed using the scientific method.
Put your money where your mouth is.
The discrepancy between the method and the white coat religious enterprise we call 'peer reviewed' is perhaps a post for another time.
Oh yes, that pesky peer review. The one that forms a cornerstone of the scientific method you trust and respect. The one that keeps scientists honest. The one that more often than not spots fraud and pseudoscience. Oh wait, now I get it....
How do you stand the cognitive dissonance?
You may find this man interesting.
Nope, not really. He is just another one of those men that people like you roll out when you are desperate to prove some scientist believing weird shit makes it real. Newton was also into alchemy, what's your point? Argument from authority - it is a logical fallacy remember.
He explains why traditional tests for psychic ability are categorically impossible, as these things are inextricably linked to emotion.
Did he trust and respect the scientific method too then? All very convenient of course - but how do you propose we establish the validity of claims to psychic powers without testing them then? Would you like me to roll out a whole bunch of scientists who say psychic powers can be tested in the lab? Then we could play who has the most famous supporters. Wouldn't mean shit though. And I'd win.
Aw how cute, you name dropped Wittgenstein too. I'm so impressed. I must admit it's been a while since I studied the Philosophical Investigations but what I do know is that it has bugger all to do with whether or not psychics are real and what he did say seems to have passed you by completely.
But how like a psychic to try and pretend philosophy matters in science anyway. Words are just descriptors of reality - they aren't the reality.
Now, using my psychic powers I predict we will, if Matt comes back, have some or all of the following from him:
ReplyDelete1. Redefinition of words with specific or commonly accepted definitions in order to suit him.
2. More logical fallacies.
3. Probably some variation on 'this is real science, not what you think'.
4. Maybe some "You don't understand because you are close minded / unhappy / won't think out of the box /can't / don't have faith."
5. An attempt to divert the conversation away from science and evidence and too philosophy.
6. The avoidance of questions or points put to him.
7. Maybe some complaints about tone.
8. More conspiracy claims and still no evidence, but probably an exhortation to "Do your own research" or "Open your eyes" or "Surely you don't think the government/Big Pharma/Them are acting altruistically."
9. Maybe more references to shadowy and incoherent 'elites'.
10. Some anecdotes presented as scientific evidence.
11. Some insults, possibly just passive-aggressive ones.
I keep hearing that "Randi is a fraud" mantra from the woos. I guess since their definition of "science" is different from mine, they don't require evidence.
ReplyDeleteI guess their definition of "science" is I make up whatever I like the sound of and if other people agree with me, I'm right.
Sound like a good woo definition of science? I sense a blog post coming over at my place...
Ryan:
ReplyDeleteSounds exactly like the definition of science these people use.
12. Arguing that we are incapable of the necessary paradigm shift to understand his advanced post-scientific worldview.
ReplyDelete13 - 200+ The rest of the doggerel arguments as needed.
People like Matt raid science just as relentlessly and ignorantly as they raid indigenous cultures or hinduism for fancy terms to dress up their tedious fantasies of magical powers. For Matt it probably started out as a genuine interest in unusual or new ideas, but the whole edifice depends on surreptitiuos attacks on science and sensibleness for its survival.
Some are real and some are not.
ReplyDeleteAnd just which psychics do you think are fake, and why?
ReplyDeleteChakras:
ReplyDeleteSo, as Yakaru stated, presumably you can say exactly which ones are fake and which aren't and then provide the evidence for these claims?
After that, presumably you can also explain why the 'real' psychics are so selfish and are not doing anything to benefit mankind, as I pointed out in the post. Don't they want to help, or can't they?
JB, I'm trying to figure out why you get so many of these annoying one-off drive-by witnesses coming to testify.
ReplyDeleteI wish one of them would stick around and tell us what their goals are by dropping such mindblowing bombs.
Not all psychics are fake.There also good ones.
ReplyDeleteWell this one's a human spambot, which is also a pretty good metaphor for the way these crooks work.
ReplyDeleteOK - anymore spam will be deleted, the rest can stay so it doesn't look entirely like we're talking to ourselves, I wasn't sure from the first post if it was spam or not. Now we know.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure why there seem to be so many drive bys either though!
Psychic readings should be uplifting and empowering. Psychic readings should leave you with the feeling that you have more options, insight and peace of mind.
ReplyDeletePsychics aren't real, try reading the post before trying to advertise your fraudulent activities here.
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