But I do want to mention something that I find repeatedly when woos start to talk about science based medicine - it seems they have never experienced it. One of the most common lies that woos like to spread about science based medicine is that doctors ignore things like exercise and nutrition and just want to pump pills down your throat because they are, after all, just tools of Big Pharma. Adams is a good example of this, as you'll see if you read Orac's takedown.
Not surprisingly, woos who push this line are actually lying through their teeth or don't seem to have ever experienced that which they are criticising. Or maybe they are just completely ignorant of the subject they are talking about. None of these options really paints them in a flattering light, but at least the latter means they are not being actively dishonest, just stupid.
Anyway, here's just my own little example of why I know with absolute certainty that this woo argument is nothing but a big fat lie with all the trimmings.
I have bad cholesterol. My first health check with Kaiser Permanente was a little over two years ago now and my numbers were all wrong. I need to get HDL up and LDL down. If what the woos say is true, my doctor should have immediately tried to prescribe me a regimen of drugs, correct? Their position is that doctors don't know about nutrition - Adams specifically says (please do not drink any liquids before reading this for fear of explosive nose explusion):
Doctors don't even study health; they study disease. Modern doctors are taught virtually nothing about nutrition, wellness or disease prevention.
So, doctors don't know about nutrition or wellness. Adams flat out says this, no wiggle room. No room for misinterpretation here.
So which pills did my doctor prescribe me? None. So what did my doctor do? Well, she set up an appointment with her nutritionist colleague and recommended I increase my exercise levels and gave me some information about how to decrease my stress levels. But wait. How can this be? Doctors know nothing about nutrition or wellness, right?
Don't be so bloody stupid - do people really buy this crap? Silly question, of course they do. Adams is either lying with the full knowledge he is lying, or he is arguing from a position of total ignorance and stupidity, which makes him dangerously irresponsible. Which do you think it is - dishonest or as thick as two short planks?
But it gets better. A few months ago my current employer also began a new health care / wellness system for its employees, first came a checkup of some important numbers, then steps to correcting them. I had my cholesterol done. Still not good, but heading in the right direction. Back to the doctor I went, for an unrelated matter, and she asked about my cholesterol again because she saw it had been a while since my last check up. I told her the numbers. Surely with her second chance to force pills down my throat this shill for Big Pharma would do so? She works for Kaiser for pity's sake!
Wrong again you lying ignorant woo buffalo turds.
She was pleased that my numbers were going down. She asked what steps I was taking. I told her I was now living like a saint and following all the advice I had about nutrition from various sources. And what were those sources? Why, the Mayo Clinic and WebMD and the information I still had from Kaiser. You know, those doctors who know nothing about nutrition and wellness. She thought I was doing all the right things and once again failed to force pills down my throat. In fact, the only thing she recommended was that I come back later in the year to see how things were going and to continue what I was doing, and asked if I wanted another meeting with her nutritionist colleague. I got none of my information from a single woo source - only from sources that use science based medicine. I might drop the 'science based medicine' term for just simply 'real medicine' from now on.
Bad pharma shill. Bad bad bad. Forcing all those evil drugs down my throat for something that can be fixed by those brave woos and the nutrition and wellness only they know about. Oh wait...
So, let me just reiterate. Two visits to a doctor who apparently should know nothing about wellness and nutrition and only knows about disease and drugs - not one drug prescribed and only nutrition and wellness recommended. Research done using material from doctors who know nothing about nutrition and wellness and only nutrition and wellness measures recommended. No drugs. Not one.
Adams and his like - liars or ignorant fools? Or maybe both? I know where my money is going.
It is all too easy to defend Mike Adamas here. Of course, it is no contradiction that drugs for lowering cholesterol are endemic because one one lady doc at Kaiser suggests to one person to exercise and decrease stress levels. Of course, this suggestion is not what any of these really bad docs are doing for people--suggesting these two things becomes no bromide for healthy living. Nutrition is fundamental and there are is no nutritional expertise here--especially from the doc recommended nutritionist.
ReplyDeleteThe punch line here is that high cholesterol as a cause of disease is a myth and more often than not nothing to be concerned about. The docs ignore the science--this is what docs do--they ignore the science so they can scaremonger and push drugs. To add to people half heartedly to lower stress (stress screams for a definition here--docs are ignorant here and tell people to simply work less. This is not the essence of stress that can harm people--it is bad thoughts--not working hard!!) Cholesterol is an symptom and not a cause and an indirect marker. For the medically challenged writer too easily confused by the truth--let's just say--don't worry about that number--it is not a real marker of health. It is the fat in the plaque that is a cause of concern and here the dietary advice from some Kaiser lady is going to be a horror show.
Would this person suggest healthy fats? No. Would this person suggest healthy oils--no--they would suggest unhealthy oils. Would this person suggest high nutrient foods and eating organic? No. Would this person suggest superfoods? No. Would this so called nutritionist preach detoxification of even know what that involves? Of course not! So is this "nutrition?" It is more and more ignorance.
This person revels in it.
Don't try to slam those who are doing well in this world like Mike Adams to cover for those who are poison pushers. I care more about your health than your silly "doctors" who are not trained to help you.
Not right.
Anonymous - this is your only warning. If you wish to continue your ranting, knowledge free barely coherent screeds on here then do not post anonymously, pick a pseudonym and stick to it. Any further anonymous posts will be deleted. Not because you win, not because I have no answer for you, not because I am afraid of your "truth", but because that's the rule I have for repeat commenting on my blog where arguments continue past one comment.
DeleteAnyway.
It is all too easy to defend Mike Adamas here
I sense a Dunning-Kruger coming on. Here's a tip folks: Don't take medical or scientific advice from someone who can barely string together coherent sentences and ideas.
Of course, it is no contradiction that drugs for lowering cholesterol are endemic because one one lady doc at Kaiser suggests to one person to exercise and decrease stress levels.
That wasn't my point. Reading comprehension isn't your strong point I take it? My point was that people like you and Adams claim doctors ignore everything in favour of pushing pills, my example shows this is not true. Since then I have suffered more medical issues, and have visited different doctors for a variety of reasons - and it is only this year, after several visits over several years - that a medical professional had to finally prescribe medication. Their first response was always to provide information on increasing exercise levels, reducing stress, improving diet and improving the quantity and quality of sleep. Medication was only prescribed AFTER everything else did not improve conditions enough.
Which is the exact opposite of what people like you and Adams claim happens. So, you are full of shit. You are lying. It's that simple.
Of course, this suggestion is not what any of these really bad docs are doing for people--suggesting these two things becomes no bromide for healthy living.
No. Really? You mean there is more to medicine than reducing stress and increasing exercise? I never would have thought. Of course, it isn't scientifically trained medical doctors that suggest these are the only ways to healthy living. They merely suggest that without these healthy living is certainly not possible, they recognize, in ways idiots like you don't, that they are part of a system for healthy living.
Nutrition is fundamental and there are is no nutritional expertise here--especially from the doc recommended nutritionist.
Nutrition is important, as any scientifically trained medical doctor will tell you. That's why they sent me to a scientifically trained nutritionist and not some moron like Adams or you. And you make a claim there was no expertise here - please cite your evidence for this or retract the claim since you have no basis for it. Adams has no training other than shit he made up, and he is a notorious crank and conspiracy theorist. That's what you consider expertise?
If so - you are a fucking idiot. Not that this comes as a surprise.
More to follow.
The punch line here is that high cholesterol as a cause of disease is a myth and more often than not nothing to be concerned about.
DeleteCite your evidence or withdraw the claim. Prove that high cholesterol is not a cause for medical problems. We can wait.
Of course you can't, because you are full of shit. And dangerously so.
The docs ignore the science--this is what docs do--they ignore the science so they can scaremonger and push drugs.
You know, merely saying something doesn't make it true. The science is what shows that having high LDL cholesterol is not healthy, and high HDL is healthy. You choose to ignore it because it doesn't suit your pet nonsense. You have no proof for your claims however.
To add to people half heartedly to lower stress (stress screams for a definition here--docs are ignorant here and tell people to simply work less. This is not the essence of stress that can harm people--it is bad thoughts--not working hard!!)
Cite a source that doctors merely tell people to work less. Not one of the doctors I saw told me to work less. Not one. So, you're lying. Cite your definition of stress and prove that stress is nothing more than bad thoughts. We can wait.
Cholesterol is an symptom and not a cause and an indirect marker.
Cite your evidence for this. You know, the science you keep claiming to follow.
For the medically challenged writer too easily confused by the truth--let's just say--don't worry about that number--it is not a real marker of health.
Self awareness is not your strong point is it? Nor irony, it seems.
It is the fat in the plaque that is a cause of concern and here the dietary advice from some Kaiser lady is going to be a horror show.
The science shows us that the fats in atheroma are lipids. Cholesterol is a lipid you idiot., and it is one of those that help make up atheroma. That's the science, the stuff you claim to know that doctors don't.
How embarrassing for you.
Would this person suggest healthy fats? No.
Well, this is embarrassing for you. Look at that, modern science based medicine explaining how some fats are good for you and some aren't. Which you claim it would never do under any circumstances. Oh dear.
Almost there:
Would this person suggest healthy oils--no--they would suggest unhealthy oils. Would this person suggest high nutrient foods and eating organic? No. Would this person suggest superfoods? No. Would this so called nutritionist preach detoxification of even know what that involves? Of course not! So is this "nutrition?" It is more and more ignorance.
DeleteAnd you know this how, because you were there and received the medical advice with me? Funny, I don't remember you being there. Please cite your source that no evidence based, scientifically trained nutritionist would talk about any of these, where there is evidence in favour of their use and efficacy (which excludes detoxification right off the bat). Oh, by the way, there is no evidence that organic food is significantly better for health.
Otherwise you are just making claims with no evidence. Like Adams. We all no where the ignorance is here, we can see it plain as daylight.
Don't try to slam those who are doing well in this world like Mike Adams to cover for those who are poison pushers. I care more about your health than your silly "doctors" who are not trained to help you.
Bullshit. People like you and Adams are a danger to public health and you should be made to provide your evidence for your claims or laughed off the face of the planet. What training have you and Adams had, exactly? What evidence is there for your claims?
Give me an evidence based, scientifically trained medical doctor over dubious woo pushers promoting dangerous nonsense like you and Adams any day of the week. You have no evidence for any of your claims here, none whatsoever, but you claim to follow and know the science better than the hundreds of years of scientific evidence that doctors rely on, and update constantly.
Fuck off you quack.